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	<title>Comments on: There’s Socialized Medicine Burried in Obama’s Trillion Dollar Debt Plan</title>
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		<title>By: lukemcgook</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;First, a definition: socialized medicine = doctors are government employees like they are in England. Obama’s plans don’t include that.&lt;/i&gt;

Strictly, you&#039;re correct.  The O&#039;s approach to planning generally seems more &quot;corporatist&quot; -- fascist, in other words -- than purely socialist.  Still statist, choice-limiting, and wildly inefficient.

&lt;i&gt;Second, America’s health care system doesn’t deliver as well as you think. Americans have a lower life expectancy than ...&lt;/i&gt; blahblah

Rather more to it than you think.  None of these countries is as racially heterogenous as the US, for instance, and life spans vary according to race, among other things.

&lt;i&gt;Did you know that health care is already rationed in the United States? It’s rationed by the ability of individuals to pay.&lt;/i&gt;  It is indeed.  Under the socialized regimes, it&#039;s still rationed by ability to pay, though, in this case that of taxpayers.  &lt;i&gt;All&lt;/i&gt; goods are rationed, one way or another, in this vail of tears.  What we dislke is the inefficiency and state coercion that invariably goes along with the socialist rationing solution.  Canadians can cross the border to get the care they&#039;re willing and able to pay for.  Once the US is socialized, the last, best hope of a hip replacement before 2017 will be gone.  We&#039;ll be well and truly screwed then, my little jag.  Socialized health care will be the end of us.

Say, didn&#039;t realize you could do &lt;a href=&quot;http://mises.org/story/3233&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;linked&lt;/a&gt; text in these comboxes.  Neat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>First, a definition: socialized medicine = doctors are government employees like they are in England. Obama’s plans don’t include that.</i></p>
<p>Strictly, you&#8217;re correct.  The O&#8217;s approach to planning generally seems more &#8220;corporatist&#8221; &#8212; fascist, in other words &#8212; than purely socialist.  Still statist, choice-limiting, and wildly inefficient.</p>
<p><i>Second, America’s health care system doesn’t deliver as well as you think. Americans have a lower life expectancy than &#8230;</i> blahblah</p>
<p>Rather more to it than you think.  None of these countries is as racially heterogenous as the US, for instance, and life spans vary according to race, among other things.</p>
<p><i>Did you know that health care is already rationed in the United States? It’s rationed by the ability of individuals to pay.</i>  It is indeed.  Under the socialized regimes, it&#8217;s still rationed by ability to pay, though, in this case that of taxpayers.  <i>All</i> goods are rationed, one way or another, in this vail of tears.  What we dislke is the inefficiency and state coercion that invariably goes along with the socialist rationing solution.  Canadians can cross the border to get the care they&#8217;re willing and able to pay for.  Once the US is socialized, the last, best hope of a hip replacement before 2017 will be gone.  We&#8217;ll be well and truly screwed then, my little jag.  Socialized health care will be the end of us.</p>
<p>Say, didn&#8217;t realize you could do <a href="http://mises.org/story/3233" rel="nofollow">linked</a> text in these comboxes.  Neat.</p>
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		<title>By: goodtimepolitics</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 08:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand Moon Jaguar you think MSNBC is the only news!  Must have something warm going up your leg for Obama!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand Moon Jaguar you think MSNBC is the only news!  Must have something warm going up your leg for Obama!</p>
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		<title>By: Moon Jaguar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moon Jaguar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 06:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If all you read is Heritage, Coulter and American Thinker you&#039;re getting a blinkered version of reality.

First, a definition: socialized medicine = doctors are government employees like they are in England.  Obama&#039;s plans don&#039;t include that.  You just use the phrase to frighten in ignorant.

Second, America&#039;s health care system doesn&#039;t deliver as well as you think.  Americans have a &lt;a href=&quot;http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa042000b.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;lower life expectancy&lt;/a&gt; than Brits, French, Canadians, Germans, Fins, Spainiards, Swiss, Swedes, Singapore, Japanese... and the list goes on.  That&#039;s an important measure of our current system&#039;s failures.

Did you know that health care is already rationed in the United States?  It&#039;s rationed by the ability of individuals to pay.  You&#039;re afraid of the government denying end-of-life care?  Insurance companies control that now and they&#039;re accountable only to shareholders, not to the public.  Read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newamerica.net/blog/new-health-dialogue/2008/cost-end-life-spending-can-boost-bills-without-extending-life-3181&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; about how end-of-life spending isn&#039;t necessarily linked to quality of life, length of life, or honoring the wishes of patients. 

We need to have a debate about health care in America, but we need data instead of demagogues.  Don&#039;t rush (or Rush) to condemn Obama&#039;s plan until you read it for yourself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If all you read is Heritage, Coulter and American Thinker you&#8217;re getting a blinkered version of reality.</p>
<p>First, a definition: socialized medicine = doctors are government employees like they are in England.  Obama&#8217;s plans don&#8217;t include that.  You just use the phrase to frighten in ignorant.</p>
<p>Second, America&#8217;s health care system doesn&#8217;t deliver as well as you think.  Americans have a <a href="http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa042000b.htm" rel="nofollow">lower life expectancy</a> than Brits, French, Canadians, Germans, Fins, Spainiards, Swiss, Swedes, Singapore, Japanese&#8230; and the list goes on.  That&#8217;s an important measure of our current system&#8217;s failures.</p>
<p>Did you know that health care is already rationed in the United States?  It&#8217;s rationed by the ability of individuals to pay.  You&#8217;re afraid of the government denying end-of-life care?  Insurance companies control that now and they&#8217;re accountable only to shareholders, not to the public.  Read <a href="http://www.newamerica.net/blog/new-health-dialogue/2008/cost-end-life-spending-can-boost-bills-without-extending-life-3181" rel="nofollow">this article</a> about how end-of-life spending isn&#8217;t necessarily linked to quality of life, length of life, or honoring the wishes of patients. </p>
<p>We need to have a debate about health care in America, but we need data instead of demagogues.  Don&#8217;t rush (or Rush) to condemn Obama&#8217;s plan until you read it for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: eve</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One big Christmas tree for the Democrats.  I believe they put in a lot of ridiculous things  they knew wouldn&#039;t fly, so they could end up with the things they really wanted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One big Christmas tree for the Democrats.  I believe they put in a lot of ridiculous things  they knew wouldn&#8217;t fly, so they could end up with the things they really wanted.</p>
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		<title>By: goodtimepolitics</title>
		<link>http://goodtimepolitics.com/2009/02/11/there%e2%80%99s-socialized-medicine-burried-in-obama%e2%80%99s-trillion-dollar-debt-plan/#comment-5859</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[goodtimepolitics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thats what I&#039;m reading also Tarheeltalker.
Obama seem to have secret plans for America! Not only that he still has not proved his citizenship and I do not understand how our elected lawmakers can allow him not to. Like you said its scary stuff!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats what I&#8217;m reading also Tarheeltalker.<br />
Obama seem to have secret plans for America! Not only that he still has not proved his citizenship and I do not understand how our elected lawmakers can allow him not to. Like you said its scary stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: Tarheeltalker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tarheeltalker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am reading that the bill will allow government to override doctors recommendations, fine doctors who dont comply and pull the plug on end of life care(see Ann Coulter&#039;s website) .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reading that the bill will allow government to override doctors recommendations, fine doctors who dont comply and pull the plug on end of life care(see Ann Coulter&#8217;s website) .</p>
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		<title>By: goodtimepolitics</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[goodtimepolitics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[But many of those same politicians caused the crisis, and if left to their own devices will do so again.]

Yes that is right and yes they will take this country down more!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[But many of those same politicians caused the crisis, and if left to their own devices will do so again.]</p>
<p>Yes that is right and yes they will take this country down more!</p>
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		<title>By: lukemcgook</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lukemcgook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, I&#039;m starting to take this Cloward-Piven stuff seriously.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I&#8217;m starting to take this Cloward-Piven stuff seriously.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: lukemcgook</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lukemcgook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bunch of easter eggs in this abomination at varioius points in its progress.  Billions for the Dems&#039; criminal auxiliary, ACORN.  Mandated COBRA extensions, making it more costly for firms to hire (&quot;paycheck fairness&quot; was another recent move that will impair labor markets, and in a recession).  Open-ended funding for welfare programs, to reverse the reforms of the 90&#039;s.  One think tank or another will have their wonk brigades poring over the conference report, finding more gems.  Maybe we&#039;ll have time to publicize some before the final vote.  May be able to peel off a few more Dems in the House.  Filibuster is still a remote possibility in the Senate.   We can HOPE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bunch of easter eggs in this abomination at varioius points in its progress.  Billions for the Dems&#8217; criminal auxiliary, ACORN.  Mandated COBRA extensions, making it more costly for firms to hire (&#8220;paycheck fairness&#8221; was another recent move that will impair labor markets, and in a recession).  Open-ended funding for welfare programs, to reverse the reforms of the 90&#8242;s.  One think tank or another will have their wonk brigades poring over the conference report, finding more gems.  Maybe we&#8217;ll have time to publicize some before the final vote.  May be able to peel off a few more Dems in the House.  Filibuster is still a remote possibility in the Senate.   We can HOPE.</p>
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		<title>By: Tarheeltalker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tarheeltalker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is scary stuff and either no one knows or no one cares.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is scary stuff and either no one knows or no one cares.</p>
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